Thursday, December 27, 2012

Just How Insane Has 
England Gotten With
It's Gun Ban?

So Insane It's Sentenced 
People To PrisonFor Stumbling 
Over Illegal Guns
That They Turned In 
To The Police

Yes. Really.  

England's Handgun Crime Doubles A Decade After Handgun Ban

Not only did England's handgun crime double, the exact OPPOSITE of the intended result of the ban, they are now to the point they are throwing honest people into prison for turning in guns they found:

Meanwhile, law-abiding citizens who have come into the possession of a firearm, even accidentally, have been harshly treated. In 2009 a former soldier, Paul Clarke, found a bag in his garden containing a shotgun. He brought it to the police station and was immediately handcuffed and charged with possession of the gun. At his trial the judge noted: "In law there is no dispute that Mr. Clarke has no defence to this charge. The intention of anybody possessing a firearm is irrelevant." Mr. Clarke was sentenced to five years in prison. A public outcry eventually won his release.
In November of this year, Danny Nightingale, member of a British special forces unit in Iraq and Afghanistan, was sentenced to 18 months in military prison for possession of a pistol and ammunition. Sgt. Nightingale was given the Glock pistol as a gift by Iraqi forces he had been training. It was packed up with his possessions and returned to him by colleagues in Iraq after he left the country to organize a funeral for two close friends killed in action. Mr. Nightingale pleaded guilty to avoid a five-year sentence and was in prison until an appeal and public outcry freed him on Nov. 29.
The system has gone so insane there that it took a huge public outcry to redress these two injustices visited upon these honest citizens.  The insane quote from the judge in the Clarke case sends a shiver down my spine.  Just possessing the gun, however you got it, makes you a criminal.  So off to prison with you! 

Does anybody in England need to seriously spend 3 seconds considering whether or not to turn in a gun they stumbled over after the Clarke case was made public?  

Only Liberal bureaucrats can construct & defend a system that can't tell between criminals and honest citizens any more.  

Also note this little factoid from the article: 
In 1987, Michael Ryan went on a shooting spree in his small town of Hungerford, England, killing 16 people (including his mother) and wounding another 14 before shooting himself. Since the public was unarmed—as were the police—Ryan wandered the streets for eight hours with two semiautomatic rifles and a handgun before anyone with a firearm was able to come to the rescue.
Wayne LaPierre at his press conference earlier this week was exactly correct:  unless/until your bad guy going around shooting people decides to kill himself, the only thing that'll stop him is a good guy with a gun.  And England's gun control was so strict when this massacre occured in 1987, that it took EIGHT LONG HOURS for that good guy with a gun to show up.  

All you gun control zealots pay attention: America WILL NEVER have that problem.  It will NEVER take 8 hours to get a good gun on the scene to deal with a situation like this.  

And note the biggest takeaway from the article: they banned handguns and a decade after the ban handgun crime is double what it was before the ban by the Gov't's own admission.  


  1. Brian-Do you have a link to UK handgun crime stats? My husband is British and keeps sending me to a UK gov't website where crime is down. I really want to prove him wrong!

  2. Official stats are held close to the vest. The most you can find is press releases.

    The Daily Mail did a story in Oct. 2009 on the gun crime rate doubling since the ban and used official gov't figures in it's report.

  3. "Only Liberal bureaucrats can construct & defend a system that can't tell between criminals and honest citizens any more. "

    Ask Janet Napolitano and the FBI, just about everyone in America is a potential terrorist so I think we're well and truly along in catching up to Britain.

  4. And yet the UK reports about 39 gun deaths a year compared to the U.S.'s 9000. Herp-a derp - the UK is insane!!

    Holy Hell - is this a comedy site?

    1. And yet the UK's gun deaths doubled after banning guns.

      Herp-a-derp, miss the point much?

      I'm guessing so.

    2. A direct comparison is worthless when you consider the facts that:

      1. The population in UK is 63 million, versus 400 million + in the United States and

      2. Americans enjoy many rights UK citizens have never had, including the right to own their own guns.

      3. The UK manages to keep a lid on it's gang violence. Over 80% of the gun related deaths in America take place in deep blue cities run by Liberals who can't keep dangerous criminals locked up.

  5. If the goal of the gun ban was to decrease gun violence, why didn't it work? Why did the gun violence become double what it was before the ban?

    Does disarming a civilian population make that population safer? The facts - even as compiled by those supporting such a ban - say no:

  6. Truth takes it on the chin again at the old D & S. It took me about three seconds to debunk your usual echo chamber BS. Also look into how differently the UK and US categorize their various crime statistics.

    Where did this factually impaired meme come from anyway? Fox or Breitbart via the NRA, I'm guessing.

  7. Get out your smelling salts - your guns aren't going anywhere. -JF

    1. Then what's The National Conversation about?

  8. Hey if you can't laugh at hysterical Liberals overseas doing stupid things like this - chucking a guy into prison for 5 years for finding a gun & turning it in to police - you're missing out on half the fun in life.

    Just limiting yourself to American Liberals, why do that?

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